I Agree With Brian McLaren
I’ve never read a Brian McLaren book, but I do read articles by and about him on occasion. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t. But when I read his answer to this question, I could not have answered any better than he did. His experience, in some ways, parallels mine.
Brian was asked: “You get a lot of criticism from evangelicals, yet you seem to always maintain a very winsome and open spirit. What keeps you in such a positive and calm frame of mind when just about everybody else seems agitated for one reason or another?”
His answer:
I grew up in an extremely conservative and contentious fundamentalist movement or sect. It was filled with wonderful people who loved God, but the sociology of the group depended on exclusion and exclusiveness. When I “emerged” from that exclusive fundamentalism into a broader evangelicalism, I was hoping to find less contention. And I think I did. But in recent years, I think a contentious form of fundamentalism has been making a comeback and is in the process of a takeover attempt in evangelicalism. (I think similar movements are afoot in Catholicism and Mainline Protestantism too.) When I see this, I am not impressed by it, because I grew up with it and saw what it does to people.
I’ve learned in my own experience that it’s way easier to think oneself right than to be loving. So Paul had it dead right when he said that knowledge puffs up, but love builds up, and that without love, no matter how right you are, you gain nothing but produce a lot of noise.
So really, I’m grateful for my religious heritage in fundamentalism. It taught me many things including that if you live by contention – theological swordplay, if you will – you will die by it. If you seek to argue and fight against an argumentative and combative spirit, you become what you are against. (Paul said that if you bite and devour each other, you’ll consume each other, which describes our situation pretty well.) So my background forced me to seek a better way—what Paul calls the most excellent way, the way of love, the way of the Sermon on the Mount that transcends the way of the scribes and Pharisees.
Of course, I often trip up and slip back into things I am trying to grow beyond, but even that experience of failure humbles a person and makes it harder to try to put oneself in the position of an equal, much less a superior, in relation to one’s fellow Christians. I guess so much comes back to Paul’s words in Philippians 2, where he urges us to consider others as better than ourselves and to follow Jesus downward into servanthood.
What do you think of Brian’s response?
Posted by Tim Stevens | 17 comments









dannyjbixby
Most excellent answer. Thanks for posting that.
mikewade
How appropriate this is. Another pastor and I were talking this morning about the rise in "sibling rivalry" that seems to be popping up among the body. The irony is that the great commission teaches multiplication and not division! Just sayin'
Ron Schemenauer
Brian's response is spot on. I too have gone down a very similar path in my own life and every part of his reply resonated with me. I'm certain it will do the same for a good number of others.
I appreciated his observations about the return of a more strident form of fundamentalism in various forms of Christianity. Perhaps it's simply a reactive response to a world of growing uncertainty and shifting mores, but the end result will be an increase in polarization and factions – at a time when respectful dialogue and unity will be needed the most within Christianity and people of faith. It's going to be critical that we model Christ's example of true humility, love and grace towards all.
brad
My fundamentalist background did the same for me. I've had to repent repeatedly about attitudes I've held which have been shaped by it, and the arrogance with which I've held them. Being stirred to greater humility is the dominant idea in this — it's what Christ's presence and call both reinforced.
DonRyan
I also am from a very rigid, fundamentalist background. I loved his answer. Takes nothing away, only adds.
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jweaks
I understand his answer, but I wish the term "fundamentalist" were not hijacked from what it should mean. That is certainly not Mr. McLaren's fault.
J.Hoeft
perhaps you will read some of his books now Tim….?:)
Graham
My thoughts exactly, why would post this without having any context on the authors views. Tim crack Mclaren's books then repost
Tim Stevens
That’s what this whole post is about–my agreement with his view in this specific article. I wouldn’t care if he wrote a book praising communism…it wouldn’t change my agreement with this article.
davepatchin
Great answer…If only he wrote as he wishes to live.
Graham
dude, what's that supposed to mean?
davepatchin
I think it is pretty clear. I've read two of his books and the tone is oft contentious and condescending towards those who disagree with him theologically.
Eric
"To the person that is attacking me for believing a certain thing about God:
Now, I don't get what it is you're doing right there…. That's what's called an ad hominem attack, where you attack the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself. So, instead of taking seriously the argument that a person is making, an ad hominem attack seeks to destroy the arguer rather than the argument.
And, I just don't get how that helps anyone, really. Let's assume that you're "right" and I'm "wrong": how does your vitriolic response help me come to realize in grace that I've cocked it up and need to change my mind and attitude and submit to you and your position? More likely, if I'm so far off base and haven't really dealt with my sinfulness, I might go harder towards the "wrong" way just out of stubbornness. I can't see how you, as a sibling in Christ, would want that for me, would want me to stay away from the Truth longer than I necessarily need to. Because, that type of vitriolic response would probably do that…. How does that help me, who is not as far along on the journey as you? As close to God as you?
Now, let's assume I'm "right". And, "right" is such a poor choice of words, I think. I rather look at it as "another valuable facet of the mystery of God". Wouldn't it be neat to at least consider how my perspective about things adds to the richness of God, expands our understanding of God?
Quick aside:
Now, I'm not talking about some fundamental things, here: If someone said, "Jesus is not fully God and fully Man", I'd have some issues with that, since that's already been agreed by the whole church at one of the first five ecumenical councils. That would be something that would raise a red flag about a person bringing that point up for discussion again. Athanasius and the relevant councils dealt with Arianism from a theological point of view within the whole Body of Christ a long time ago, so anyone saying that Jesus Christ is only an amazing created being rather than God the Son Who pre-existed as God before the Incarnation– like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons – I would have a beef with. You do have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.
I just don't know if this is one of those fundamental things that we need to draw a line in the sand….
What I'm having difficulty with right now is that people have so quickly demonized my position and me…. I mean, how does that create a place where serious discussion & reflection as the Body of Christ can happen, if a part of the Body of Christ is summarily declared "not a part of the Body of Christ" simply because one part doesn't like what another part said? Now, if the Body got together and really turned things over and eventually said that I was wrong and needed to recant, then that would be a serious consideration. That's what happened to Arius vis Athanasius regarding the Person and Work of Christ. But, I don't know if that's already happened with regards to my position, and me really.
And, by "Body" I mean a large representative sample of the Body of Christ in the World today, and not a gathering of people who think, act and look like me or the person attacking me. Since the eschaton has every tribe and nation gathered to worship the Lamb, that's the type of Council I'm thinking of, since so many people have heard the call of God….
I think it would be great if we could realize a gathering of people under the pretense that we are One in Christ and give this issue some serious, rigorous theological consideration.
What say you?"
Brook Settle
I've been meditating on a Bible verse which I'm memorizing which reads 'a man of knowledge spares his words, a man of understanding is of a calm spirit, even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace, when he shuts his lips he is considered perceptive.' My son caught a dove and named it 'peace'. It had only one leg, and holding it was comfortable to the dove. I keep that image of holding 'peace' close to me, for I am a person of quick tongue, and the image helps. I appreciate and value this original blog-posting. Thank you.
Ron Hunter Jr.
McLaren's inclusion is an exclusion of a different sort. I think that on the surface this answer appears gracious, yet a deeper consideration there is a disdain towards not only pharisaic elitism that is not merely at misguided precepts and systems but of the people themselves. I have read many of his books and have attended conferences where he is very winsome in with a vague gospel.
dmbaldwin
Hey Tim,
Great quote from Brian. I agree with you, I don't agree with everything he says or writes, but do with this quote of his. In fact I can identify with his journey. It's one I've been on myself. I love the freedom of where I am now, but do hold the people in my past — including my Mom — in high regard.
Have an AWESOME Easter at Granger. We are looking forward to a great celebration of the resurrection here at LifePoint!
Blessings,
Dave