Comments on: 10 Things That Drive (Someone Else) Crazy About Working for a Church

By: gluesticktheology

gluesticktheology — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:35:39 +0000

Hi Tim and Tim – I like both posts, they both offer great insight.

Stevens responses come from a sound and solid church that has been under the direction of solid leadership and in the culture of change. I would have thought the same about Park C.C. in Chicago, but each church is unique. The leadership culture is what breeds the congregations culture.

At my local church in Flagstaff Arizona, I can see some of Schraeders points apply. We have had unstable and short-term leadership models in the past. We finally broke thru a cultural barrier for the first time since the church was planted and it is taking a lot of learning and growing.

Both posts were great, and both offer a lot of insight. I hope our church can get to the point of where Granger is with their leadership practice.

By: Kyle Reed

Kyle Reed — Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:02:25 +0000

I think Tim's post was very true.
I do think that your situation seems to be something that I have never experienced before.
I think that is why I tend to side with the original post of Tim's, it seems that Granger knows about these things that drive people crazy and so they focus on making sure that they care about each issue. But I have worked at a couple of churches and have experienced exactly what Tim Schraeder was talking about. Not saying that you are wrong, I just wish Granger was the not the exception to this all but more in the majority.

By: dave

dave — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 02:45:15 +0000

Agree you with you tim, particularly #10. Not trusting others is a symptom of not trusting God. If God were good, he'd give you partners to help accomplish the mission he's given you (plural). I like your list *way* better.

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By: sarai

sarai — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 06:12:58 +0000

the last point it's so true! thanks Tim your blog is a blessing to Mexico too!

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By: Robb

Robb — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:20:05 +0000

I am the Business Administrator at a mid-sized church out west and have been here about 4.5 years. I absolutely love my job, but I can definitely empathize with those feeling burned out. Especially in ministry areas such as pastors, youth, etc. I get pulled in many directions, but nothing like those staff members. One thing I think leads to burn out are the expectations of church members. Many expect perfection as if God created me as a church employee. I make mistakes and feel stress just like the rest of us.

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 03:16:38 +0000

I have been at one church for twenty years now. Enjoyed the list and the responses and would have agreed with most of it at different times on the journey. I don't like meeting either, and I really try and avoid them. I am going to try and take some of your perspective on them being an opportunity to love people.

By: JuliaKate

JuliaKate — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:14:34 +0000

it's strange that we would be so quick to judge longevity as more credible. the example of "longevity" was never given by Christ… quite the opposite actually. Same for the apostles. So i suppose we'd find ourselves wiser if we heard each man's perspective and take it as valid, whether we relate or not. I am a missionary. I have served at 5 churches in the last 12 years, this has enriched my understanding of common strengths & weakness within the Western church. I wouldn't dismiss a person's view as "isolated" if they've been serving in the same church for 12 straight years either. both views are respectable.

By: Tim Schraeder

Tim Schraeder — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:04:20 +0000

Thanks, Eric.

For the record… 1 church was a 9 month discipleship training program; 2 were the church that I grew up attending and the church plant they started that I worked at for nearly six years; and most recently, Park, where I've been for three years.