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	<title>Comments on: Beer and Bible</title>
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		<title>By: Franco Guerri</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-18160</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco Guerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maureen,  I just have to throw in that when you encounter the Living God the Holy Spirit will give you such a high that you will eliminate alcohol without even thinking about it.  The two statements you quote are not very synonymous, but maybe I&#039;m misunderstanding and you&#039;re not really saying that they are.  I pray that you will experience a great &quot;drunk&quot; on the Holy Spirit.  Ask Him for it!  Keep asking.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maureen,  I just have to throw in that when you encounter the Living God the Holy Spirit will give you such a high that you will eliminate alcohol without even thinking about it.  The two statements you quote are not very synonymous, but maybe I&#039;m misunderstanding and you&#039;re not really saying that they are.  I pray that you will experience a great &quot;drunk&quot; on the Holy Spirit.  Ask Him for it!  Keep asking.</p>
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		<title>By: dhpreac67</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-18150</link>
		<dc:creator>dhpreac67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The assumption that having a drink equates to &quot;the lifestyle of the world&quot; would be a foreign concept to the world of biblical times. Period.  This frames the debate over this strategy in a narrow, provincial mindset that is more a product of a specific culture (Bible belt or neo-evangelical American) than is the notion of going to a pub for a beer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assumption that having a drink equates to &quot;the lifestyle of the world&quot; would be a foreign concept to the world of biblical times. Period.  This frames the debate over this strategy in a narrow, provincial mindset that is more a product of a specific culture (Bible belt or neo-evangelical American) than is the notion of going to a pub for a beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan </title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-17565</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though my wife and I abstains from all alcohol consumption my first thoughts in viewing this were very positive.  Why?  Because more than I loathe alcohol (which I still crave at times from previous taste acquirement) I love building bridges to help people cross over to meet Christ.  But as I mature in God&#039;s wisdom I must consider things more broadly and deeply - which I am not certain these leaders have done.  Maybe they have.  I am just not convinced.  I think there is a difference between going into an environment the world has created to meet the comfort needs of humanity and minister to them in their place of comfort to &quot;meeet them where they are at&quot; and show no judgment but love.  It is an entirely different philosophy to be the creator and replicator of a worldly environment so that people will come to you.  One must ask themselves which of these philosophies did Christ most closely model for us.   
 
I also become concerned that while this may allow various individuals to accept this &quot;brand&quot; of church, it will not fulfill God&#039;s purpose, revealed only to us in our generation (Eph. 3), of glory through Christian unity (Eph 3-4).  My fear is that this will only bring greater cynicism and judging other Christians and churches that are less &quot;accepting&quot; of their comforts, preferences and desires.   There is a risk of division and actual judgmental arrogance from the very people who claim this is why they stayed away from Christians and churches in the first place. 
 
If this has any hope of truly honoring God&#039;s greater vision, the leaders must make a major intentional effort to bring their disciples quickly to a point of embracing every facet of genuine Christian practice and the convictions of every sincere believer.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though my wife and I abstains from all alcohol consumption my first thoughts in viewing this were very positive.  Why?  Because more than I loathe alcohol (which I still crave at times from previous taste acquirement) I love building bridges to help people cross over to meet Christ.  But as I mature in God&#039;s wisdom I must consider things more broadly and deeply &#8211; which I am not certain these leaders have done.  Maybe they have.  I am just not convinced.  I think there is a difference between going into an environment the world has created to meet the comfort needs of humanity and minister to them in their place of comfort to &quot;meeet them where they are at&quot; and show no judgment but love.  It is an entirely different philosophy to be the creator and replicator of a worldly environment so that people will come to you.  One must ask themselves which of these philosophies did Christ most closely model for us.   </p>
<p>I also become concerned that while this may allow various individuals to accept this &quot;brand&quot; of church, it will not fulfill God&#039;s purpose, revealed only to us in our generation (Eph. 3), of glory through Christian unity (Eph 3-4).  My fear is that this will only bring greater cynicism and judging other Christians and churches that are less &quot;accepting&quot; of their comforts, preferences and desires.   There is a risk of division and actual judgmental arrogance from the very people who claim this is why they stayed away from Christians and churches in the first place. </p>
<p>If this has any hope of truly honoring God&#039;s greater vision, the leaders must make a major intentional effort to bring their disciples quickly to a point of embracing every facet of genuine Christian practice and the convictions of every sincere believer.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-17540</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that I&#039;m late to this.. one thought... In a very religious area like Utah, I don&#039;t think you can really call people unchurched. I guess you mean un-evangelical protestant-churched but as far as being used to and in a church culture, the folks in the mormon church live and breathe that stuff.

To be honest, I see a ministry like this as the thing that is doing the unchurching. Getting people out of their regular church culture and opening them up to a view of God that filters through an entirely (for them) unreligious lens. Does that make sense? In this sense, there are some places (even within less creepy christianities) where this unchurching is really necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that I&#8217;m late to this.. one thought&#8230; In a very religious area like Utah, I don&#8217;t think you can really call people unchurched. I guess you mean un-evangelical protestant-churched but as far as being used to and in a church culture, the folks in the mormon church live and breathe that stuff.</p>
<p>To be honest, I see a ministry like this as the thing that is doing the unchurching. Getting people out of their regular church culture and opening them up to a view of God that filters through an entirely (for them) unreligious lens. Does that make sense? In this sense, there are some places (even within less creepy christianities) where this unchurching is really necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: nate drye</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-17402</link>
		<dc:creator>nate drye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love those quotes, maureen 
that&#039;s tweetable 
or twitterable 
 
*whatever...you know what i mean* </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love those quotes, maureen<br />
that&#039;s tweetable<br />
or twitterable </p>
<p>*whatever&#8230;you know what i mean*</p>
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		<title>By: Beer and Bible &#8211; My Thoughts &#8211; LeadingSmart</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-17397</link>
		<dc:creator>Beer and Bible &#8211; My Thoughts &#8211; LeadingSmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you followed our discussion last week about some guys in Utah who are offering a Beer and Bible study in a local lounge. (If [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in Herriman, UT, however, which is where our church plant will be.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in Herriman, UT, however, which is where our church plant will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Becker</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-17326</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure some people would like to think Christ would hang out in the club and have a couple shots. Sure.  Right. He probably would&#039;ve checked their score cards to see if they were cheating and told them to go home and spend some time with their wives. 
 
I dont remember in the gospels, Christ doing what certain people were doing. He just went there and rebuked people among other things. People like to make up that he was &quot;hangin&quot; with them. LOL </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure some people would like to think Christ would hang out in the club and have a couple shots. Sure.  Right. He probably would&#039;ve checked their score cards to see if they were cheating and told them to go home and spend some time with their wives. </p>
<p>I dont remember in the gospels, Christ doing what certain people were doing. He just went there and rebuked people among other things. People like to make up that he was &quot;hangin&quot; with them. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Whalen</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-17324</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Whalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, one note on your comments...

There are 50 or so Non-Mormon churches in town. They range in size from 7 to 1500, most of them around 50. Granger has actually equipped and helped my church before with technical advice from Adam and Butch, but there is definitely a Christian presence here (even if it&#039;s %1 percent of the population).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, one note on your comments&#8230;</p>
<p>There are 50 or so Non-Mormon churches in town. They range in size from 7 to 1500, most of them around 50. Granger has actually equipped and helped my church before with technical advice from Adam and Butch, but there is definitely a Christian presence here (even if it&#8217;s %1 percent of the population).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Becker</title>
		<link>http://www.leadingsmart.com/2010/03/beer-and-bible.html#comment-17318</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is saying to pass on the rest of it? I&#039;m not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is saying to pass on the rest of it? I&#039;m not.</p>
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